http://www.muscetta.com/2007/09/11/itpro-vs-dev-there-is-no-such-a-thing/ Superior Dedication - If you try hard enough, you might even get it to work. Sat, 24 Sep 2011 17:52:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://www.muscetta.com/2007/09/11/itpro-vs-dev-there-is-no-such-a-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-11711 En3pY Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:52:35 +0000 http://www.muscetta.com/2007/09/11/itpro-vs-dev-there-is-no-such-a-thing/#comment-11711 You are more than right about this, yet often I have found more issues with Devs coming to me asking for an advice than the opposite. I strongly encourage this kind of dialog between Devs and SysAdmins, yet seems that we are the enemy... maybe I just mispelled a couple of phrases. You are more than right about this, yet often I have found more issues with Devs coming to me asking for an advice than the opposite. I strongly encourage this kind of dialog between Devs and SysAdmins, yet seems that we are the enemy… maybe I just mispelled a couple of phrases.

]]> http://www.muscetta.com/2007/09/11/itpro-vs-dev-there-is-no-such-a-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-11688 Daniele Muscetta Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:20:49 +0000 http://www.muscetta.com/2007/09/11/itpro-vs-dev-there-is-no-such-a-thing/#comment-11688 My friend, you say: "[...] I think that the main problem of developers is that they see an enemy in a SysAdmin [...]". And that is PRECISELY WHY we should NOT foster and endorse this behaviour and tendancy of people to be in opposition to each other. We should UNITE them, not DIVIDE them. We should get them to be working TOGETHER. My friend, you say: "[...] I think that the main problem of developers is that they see an enemy in a SysAdmin [...]".
And that is PRECISELY WHY we should NOT foster and endorse this behaviour and tendancy of people to be in opposition to each other.
We should UNITE them, not DIVIDE them. We should get them to be working TOGETHER.

]]> http://www.muscetta.com/2007/09/11/itpro-vs-dev-there-is-no-such-a-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-11683 En3pY Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:04:16 +0000 http://www.muscetta.com/2007/09/11/itpro-vs-dev-there-is-no-such-a-thing/#comment-11683 Your main idea, IMHO, is right, yet there *IS* a natural division between Developers and SysAdmins. As far as you can see around the world it happens that applications are built by people that don't even know or bother about system issues or connection issues. Take an example at my blog about the "Middle Tier". Applications built regardless of the impact an application may have if the development model known as Client/Server is GUI to DB connection with ADO. I think that the main problem of developers is that they see an enemy in a SysAdmin: if they have something to do, they do it. They rarely ask a SysAdmin or a NetAdmin for an advice, if it ever happens. And when their application hangs... everybody points the finger about us (SysAdmins)... the division *IS* real and *IS* natural. IMHO :)) Your main idea, IMHO, is right, yet there *IS* a natural division between Developers and SysAdmins. As far as you can see around the world it happens that applications are built by people that don't even know or bother about system issues or connection issues. Take an example at my blog about the "Middle Tier". Applications built regardless of the impact an application may have if the development model known as Client/Server is GUI to DB connection with ADO. I think that the main problem of developers is that they see an enemy in a SysAdmin: if they have something to do, they do it. They rarely ask a SysAdmin or a NetAdmin for an advice, if it ever happens. And when their application hangs… everybody points the finger about us (SysAdmins)… the division *IS* real and *IS* natural. IMHO )

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